In this episode, I sit down with my longtime friend, Liz Mannchen—someone I inherited through the miracle of adoption. Together, we’ve walked roads paved with joy, heartbreak, and a whole lot of holy surrender.

We talk about what it’s like to say yes to adoption again and again... even after doors close. We talk about the ache of failed placements, the courage it takes to keep hoping, and what surrender really looks like when your heart is set on becoming a mother.

If you’ve ever wrestled with the tension between calling and timing or if you’re holding a dream that feels just out of reach—this one’s for you.

Be sure to check out all the beautiful things Liz and her husband Uli are creating through Live As Lions and follow along as they keep building something sacred out of surrender.