Join our Patreon to unlock 25+ full-length bonus episodes, ad-free weekly episodes, mp3 downloads of our original songs, exclusive Discord access, and more! You can also support the show by grabbing a cozy fall sweater at bit.ly/lezmerch & picking up Lez-ssentials songs on Bandcamp. Welcome back to Lez Hang Out, the podcast that is issuing an ultimatum to all of you– listen to this episode or seriously miss out. This week, co-hosts Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida) hang out with award-winning author, global keynote speaker, and host of I Feel That Way Too, Michelle MiJung Kim (@michellekimkim) for an in-depth breakdown of Season 2 of everyone’s favorite messy reality tv show, The Ultimatum: Queer Love.  When Michelle told us she wanted to talk about The Ultimatum, we were immediately on board. We love mess just as much as the next gays; and season 2 really went off the rails in ways that were at best hilarious and at worst downright unsettling (like, we hope Netflix paid for their therapy unsettling). This extreme level of messiness adds an authenticity to the cast that actually feels like a move in the right direction for queer representation. They’re not the usual sanitized “love-is-love” mainstream gays. Instead the cast are real queer people, appearing as they are, un-healed trauma, complicated families and all. And we think their bravery deserves a lot of credit. Now if we could just get a host that wouldn’t be so scared to take her claws out and ask the real questions, we’d have a master class for young queers in recognizing red flags, navigating conflict effectively (and ineffectively), determining consent and boundaries, and questioning heteronormative relationship values.  Give us your own answers to our Q & Gay on Instagram and follow along on Facebook, TikTok, and BlueSky @lezhangoutpod. Email us @lezhangoutpod@gmail.com. Connect with us individually: Ellie Brigida (@elliebrigida). Leigh Holmes Foster (@lshfoster). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices