Space Force Guardian and rocket scientist Col. Bree Fram joins Lilo for a candid conversation about service, leadership, and the myth of meritocracy. Bree traces a 23-year career of deployments, command, and showing up authentically—then reckons with an executive policy shift that branded loyal service members as “problems,” sidelining talent in the name of politics. Together they unpack institutional betrayal, what real readiness requires, why vulnerability makes better leaders, and what’s at stake when a nation tells devoted people they no longer belong.
Who is Bree Fram (she/her)?Bree Fram is an astronautical engineer, author, podcaster, speaker, and active-duty colonel in the United States Space Force. She is currently on administrative leave, pending separation due to Presidential policy regarding transgender people at the end of 2025. In her final assignment she was stationed at the Pentagon where she developed the requirements for future Space Force capabilities.
Where can I learn more about Bree Fram?Find Bree Fram's
books and
Forged in Fire podcast at https://www.breefram.com/#/
Are transgender troops a security concern?
No. Decades of service and multiple studies show transgender service members meet the same standards of readiness, leadership, and deployability as any other troops. Courts and military data confirm there is no evidence of unique security risks. In fact, serving authentically often strengthens trust, cohesion, and performance within units.
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