Hosts: Reinhard Pohorec & Nico Kröger Topic: Breaking down stereotypes in the world of spirits, wine & cigars Pairing: Cognac Leroy (exclusive bottling by Nico Kröger) 🔥 Episode Overview: Reinhard welcomes spirits expert, producer, and YouTuber Nico Kröger to unpack one of the most pervasive issues in the world of taste: stereotypes. Why do people say “I don’t like Cognac” or “I only drink Chardonnay”? And how does that limit genuine discovery? Together, they explore how consumer bias, education, and industry trends shape our palates — and why complexity and balance define true quality. 🧭 Key Discussion Highlights 1. The Cognac Cliché — “Old man’s drink”? Nico pours his own Cognac Leroy, the first ever bottling he co-created with the historic house. Once skeptical of Cognac, Nico discovered that small, family-run producers craft astonishingly characterful spirits. Mainstream Cognac (dominated by major houses like Hennessy) represents ~98% of the market — but only a fraction of its true potential. His turning point: realizing “everything is great if you do it right.” Quality comes from craft, not category. 2. Why people stick to stereotypes “I only drink Chardonnay” or “I don’t smoke Maduros” — these habits come from fear of disappointment. Like McDonald’s, people prefer predictable mediocrity over uncertain excellence. Avoiding risk often means missing out on life-changing experiences. 3. Complexity vs. Pleasantness Great products — whether cigars, spirits, or wine — share one trait: complexity. “Pleasant” often equals boring. True craftsmanship creates evolution in the glass or on the palate. Balance matters more than boldness — something can be extreme and still be poorly made. 4. Subjective taste vs. objective quality Taste is personal, but quality can be measured: balance, structure, and craftsmanship. “What I like” ≠ “What is good.” For example: a heavily peated whisky may appeal to someone’s taste but still be unbalanced as a product. Reinhard: “A cigar can be from the best terroir in the world — or the worst — within the same country.” Provenance isn’t enough. 5. Trust, credibility & education Nico builds trust through transparency — testing supermarket spirits on YouTube without sponsorship. By being honest, he earns his audience’s confidence to explore premium categories. “Baby steps build trust. Once people experience quality for themselves, they’ll follow you on the journey.” True authority isn’t about titles — it’s about reputation built through honesty. 6. Rum: The world’s most complex spirit Nico’s pick for the most fascinating spirit category is rum. Why? Minimal regulation = maximum creativity. Distillers can experiment with fermentation, still types, climates, and maturation styles. From fresh cane juice to molasses-based “funky” rums, the diversity is unmatched. Reinhard draws parallels to wine and natural fermentation: sometimes imperfection creates the deepest character. 7. The cycle of trends & taste Every industry experiences waves — oak-heavy Chardonnays, high-ester rums, natural wines. Many consumers adopt opinions secondhand from influencers or friends. Trends spread through micro-influencers — the friend who “knows about cars,” the bartender, the cigar geek. Education trickles from producer → expert → content creator → consumer — and back again. 8. Who defines quality? There’s no ultimate authority — the crowd decides. True expertise earns trust over time through consistent results and integrity. In Nico’s words: “The market will decide who’s worth listening to.” 💬 Final Thoughts Stereotypes limit discovery. Complexity rewards curiosity. Whether in spirits, cigars, or wine — don’t chase perfection, chase personality. With that — light ’em up.