In this episode Dave (@withsobersenses) chats with Keir Milburn (@KeirMilburn ). Keir is from Leeds and has been an anti-state communist for a respectable amount of time (and an all round good egg). Previously a member of Class War and the Leeds May Day Group/ The Free Association he is now part of Plan C. Recently he has been trying to think through how anti-capitalists can related to the rise of Corbyn and the return of social democracy. We talk through the arguments and deal with some of the critiques. He has a new book Generation Left out now. Some stuff we mention includes Acid Corbynism is a gateway drug Class War is Dead… Long Live The Class War On Social Strikes and Directional Demands Turbulence: What would it mean to win What can an institution do? Towards Public-Common partnerships and a new common-sense