In this episode, I’m joined by the extraordinary mother–daughter team Norma and Nisha Burton, co-authors of Navigating Liminal Realms: Psycho-navigation Skills for Lucid Dreaming, Trance Journeys and Altered States. Their work blends ancient psychonaut wisdom with modern neuroscience to revive a long-forgotten skill: how to consciously enter, explore, and return from the dreamscape, trance worlds, and psychedelic visions with clarity and intention.

Together, we explore the unique ways Norma and Nisha use their complementary approaches to help others navigate the inner wilderness — cultivating practices that deepen self-awareness, expand perception, and reconnect us with the vast terrain of our own consciousness and beyond.

This is a rich, fascinating conversation for anyone drawn to lucid dreaming, shamanic journeying, psychedelics, or the mysteries of the mind.

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