On this episode of Lunch With Norm, Norm sits down with Liz Saunders, the founder of Fluencer Fruit, to uncover what brands get wrong about influencer marketing and what actually drives results in 2025. Liz breaks down how she helps eCommerce brands build real relationships with creators, why short-term UGC deals fall flat, and how to scale influencer partnerships with data, not guesswork. You’ll also hear how Fluencer Fruit uses first-party performance data to match brands with the right TikTok and Amazon creators. If you’re a brand owner tired of chasing virality and ready to build influencer systems that convert, this one’s for you. You’ll learn: - How to build long-term influencer partnerships - Why most brands fail at creator outreach - How Fluencer Fruit uses data to match brands and creators - The difference between paid UGC and real influence - How to set up systems for scalable, trackable influencer growth Timestamps 00:00 – Why Content Still Drives Sales 03:05 – Smart Branding Tips for Amazon Sellers 07:01 – How to Find the Right Creator 10:20 – Boosting Brand Awareness with UGC 13:05 – Why Mid-Size Creators Perform Best 15:54 – Getting Influencers to Engage 19:20 – What Makes a Quality Influencer 22:10 – How Commission Stacking Works 25:48 – Sponsored by Sellerboard 29:06 – Using Creator Connection for Growth 32:03 – What Motivates Creators to Launch 35:58 – Dealing With Cease & Desist Orders 39:32 – Do Influencer Videos Still Work? 43:38 – Increasing Customer Touchpoints 47:36 – How Long Does Success Take? 51:22 – Final Thoughts with Liz Saunders ______________________________________ This episode is brought to you by Flat World Network: Hey Amazon sellers, Norm here! I’ve just launched my new agency, Flat World Network. If your listings aren’t converting or your sales have hit a ceiling, you’re not alone. We help sellers unlock 30% more Amazon sales in just 90 days, using real strategies that work across listings, ads, and backend setup. 💥 Get your FREE Amazon Audit - https://flatworldnetwork.com/ ______________________________________   Sponsors: Sellerboard - https://sellerboard.com/?p=02091 ConnectCash - https://connectcash.io/ Sophie Society - Free PPC audit → https://calendly.com/sophiesociety/noa Levanta - Affiliate Shift Calculator → https://hubs.ly/Q03jnb3B0 Flat World Network - https://flatworldnetwork.com/ HONU Worldwide - https://honuworldwide.com/ Marketing Misfits - https://marketingmisfits.co/ Start. Scale. Exit. Repeat - https://www.amazon.com/Start-Scale-Exit-Repeat-Entrepreneurs/dp/B0CYWGZ6YL Join the Beard Nation at https://www.facebook.com/groups/lunchwithnorm #InfluencerMarketing #LunchWithNorm #LizSaunders