Hi Smooches! On this episode, we’re chatting with boundary coach Kami Orange, author of the new book Say the Thing: Boundary-Setting Scripts and Phrases to Communicate Directly and Speak Up with Kindness. Meg and I have both separately followed Kami’s work and when we reached out to her for an interview were delighted to find out she’s a romance reader! So we talked a lot about how reading romance is fantastic for exploring boundary setting. We hope you have fun listening to this conversation, because we had a lot of fun having it. Find Kami on TikTok at: https://www.tiktok.com/@kami_orange?_t=8kDrEfGaVf0&_r=1 Find links to Kami’s book and boundary flashcards here: https://kamiorangeinfo.com Find us on Instagram at: https://www.instagram.com/makeoutalreadypod/?hl=en Preorder Liz’s next book, IN ON THE ACTION: https://a.co/d/87RjuZC Books we mentioned: Say the Thing by Kami Orange A Lady of Rooksgrave Manor by Kathryn Moon Come Together by Emily Nagoski Come As You Are by Emily Nagoski Burnout by Emily and Amelia Nagoski I Married a Lizardman by Regine Abel Her Alien Priest by Michele Mills Stalked by the Kraken by Lillian Lark The Book Leo video on Tentacle Entanglement by Siggy Shade https://youtu.be/W03iZEfFkE4?si=dyg9Xqg0yqempNUl