Tomasz Niezgoda (CMO @ Surfer) let me pick his brain for 60 min on how they bootstrapped to €15M ARR, get ~20% of paying customers from AI Search, and talked to 50+ customers per week in the early days. If you care about SaaS, bootstrapping, SEO, AI Search, or marketing in general, this conversation is packed with insights. Here are 5 things that stood out: 1) They didn't touch SEO for 4 years While building an SEO tool, they focused on community, webinars, and education first. SEO came later when they had the domain authority to compete with Ahrefs and Semrush. 2) 50+ customer conversations per week in year 1 Not async support tickets. Real customer calls. Tomasz and the team split them. The knowledge they gathered became their unfair advantage over competitors. 3) AI search isn't magic, it's discipline Monitor your prompts weekly. When competitors get cited, create similar content. Track visibility like a hawk. Act fast. Repeat every single week without missing. 4) They killed top-of-funnel content completely Traffic dropped as a KPI. Now they focus purely on middle and bottom-of-funnel content. "Best alternatives" and "vs" pages feed LLMs with the exact narrative they want. 5) They doubled down on YouTube and it paid off 10x They started with just 2 videos per month, and it took 3 months to see first signs it worked. Now they have 24K subscribers, published 180 videos, and it's one of their top channels. This is just 5 of 20+ insights from our conversation. ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Tomasz on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niezgoda-tomasz/ Surfer on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/surfer/