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MoneyNeverSleeps
Pete Townsend | GP at Norio Ventures
300 episodes
1 day ago
MoneyNeverSleeps is a weekly show where smart people bring one big idea, and Pete Townsend breaks it down in under 15 minutes. Featuring founders, operators, and investors shaping crypto, fintech, AI, and onchain finance. After 300+ long-form episodes, the show has evolved into a sharper, faster format built for a world where insights need to travel quickly.
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MoneyNeverSleeps is a weekly show where smart people bring one big idea, and Pete Townsend breaks it down in under 15 minutes. Featuring founders, operators, and investors shaping crypto, fintech, AI, and onchain finance. After 300+ long-form episodes, the show has evolved into a sharper, faster format built for a world where insights need to travel quickly.
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291: Scaling Without VC: The Long Game with Fergal McGovern from VisibleThread
MoneyNeverSleeps
44 minutes 48 seconds
8 months ago
291: Scaling Without VC: The Long Game with Fergal McGovern from VisibleThread

This week, I had the absolute pleasure of sitting down with Fergal McGovern, founder and CEO of VisibleThread, for one of the most enlightening founder chats I’ve had in a while.

Fergal’s been building for decades—starting with enterprise systems in the '90s, then launching and selling his first startup SteelTrace, and eventually pivoting VisibleThread through the 2008 crash into a trusted platform serving global leaders like Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Comcast, and government agencies across the U.S., Canada, and Australia.

What I loved about this conversation is how practical and honest Fergal is—especially when it comes to the real story behind fundraising. He’s been through the early seed round, the post-pivot rebuild, and the tough decision to fuel growth with debt instead of chasing a VC path that didn’t quite fit.

In this episode, we get into:


- Why 50% growth year-over-year is solid—but not VC-sexy


- What makes a startup truly “VC-eligible” (and what doesn’t)


-How Fergal built a repeatable sales playbook before hiring reps—and why that mattered more than headcount


- The thinking behind VisibleThread’s expansion into a second product—basically Grammarly for secure, regulated environments


- Why GenAI and agents aren’t always the right tool—and when logic still wins


- And yes, how designing gardens relates to building great UX


If you’re a founder figuring out your funding path—or just trying to scale without losing your mind—this one’s for you.


Resources:

The Hard Thing About Hard Things, Ben Horowitz

Episode 170 of the Full Ratchet podcast:  Craig Wortmann - Sales Mastery & Storytelling at Scaling Startups


Connect with Fergal McGovern and VisibleThread:

Fergal McGovern: LinkedIn

VisibleThread: LinkedIn  |  Website⁠


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MoneyNeverSleeps
MoneyNeverSleeps is a weekly show where smart people bring one big idea, and Pete Townsend breaks it down in under 15 minutes. Featuring founders, operators, and investors shaping crypto, fintech, AI, and onchain finance. After 300+ long-form episodes, the show has evolved into a sharper, faster format built for a world where insights need to travel quickly.