(RECORDED ON JULY 26, 2025) When jamilah was floating about in the middle of the Punk Rock Bowling festival (in Las Vegas), she ended up meeting Jonas Woolverton in a small tent selling skateboards and horror-themed items.  They talked briefly about punk; he handed her a flyer, regarding a play he was directing- Four Chords And A Gun, based on the story of Phil Spector's time with (the) Ramones, and their recording of the album End Of The Century.  While she greatly enjoyed the play, she ended up finding out about his other jaunts into theater, physical comedy/clowning, and the circus.  Starring and acting in The MacEnfro Show; he's also performed for many years with Cirque du Soleil for 'Zumanity', as well as 'RAIN', with Cirque Eloize.  Jonas and jamilah discuss Ramones (of course), the various types of clowning that exist, and more! Thanks for listening! To learn more about Jonas, go to: https://jonaswoolverton.com/ To get a hold of us, contact: musicandwepodcast@gmail.com