I was so honored to be interviewed on McCall's podcast Falling Into Soul: An Exploration of Inner Alchemy on the subject of Burnout & Soul Renewal, a subject near and dear to my heart. Having burned out 3 times in my life, I knew this would be a deep dive and it was! She graciously agreed for me to post it on my youtube channel and included it on my own Musitations podcast since this was the third in our series of soulversations. In McCall's words for the episode: In this episode, Michael DeMaria and I explore the rich, complex, and paradoxical themes of burnout and renewal central to our lives as empaths, recovering codependents (over givers) and creative types. Speaking from our personal experiences with burnout and how-not-to-burn-out, Michael and I explore: The importance of the soul (water, earth) in tempering the creative fire and air of spirit. How to honor and be in conversation with instead of pathologizing processes of the soul that feel dark, slow, and counter to creative productivity. Learning to differentiate between the ego being fed and the soul being fed through creative purpose. How to be who we are....sustainably I also share the story of how I burned out nine years ago on fulfilling my soul purpose, what I did to recover, and how I engage with purpose differently now. You can find out more about McCall and her wonderful work and book, "The Other Side of The Mountain" on her website at: https://www.mccallerickson.com/ or her podcast at: https://mccallerickson.buzzsprout.com/1225844 Time Stamps: 00:00 Intro 03:50 What is Burnout? 08:15 How the Soul Keeps Us Balanced. 11:20 Burnout vs. Shamanic Death/Rebirth 13:30 Inscendence vs Transcendence 17:00 Moving from the Fear of the Darkness to Welcoming it 15:30 Welcoming the Descents and Fallings into Soul 22:30 Dark Nights and Going Insane 24:50 What is Soul Sickness and What Nourishes the Soul 25:15 The Answer is Within 28:00 What feeds the soul? 29:45 Discerning the Difference Between Feeding the Soul and Ego 35:00 Becoming Whole 39:50 The soul is not languaged 40:40 When we let go over everything, everything supports us 42:40 Selfish/Selfless Paradox - and becoming Soul-fish 46:00 What is a soul initiation? 49:00 Seeing the Soul as a Wise Stranger we share our lives with 54:50 The Water of Life as an antidote to Burnout 1:00:00 Improvisation, Unconsciousness and Soul Flow 1:08:00 "He Plays Like A God" Story 1:13:00 Finding Your One Thing!