The barbershop is the rite of passage for all Black boys and Black men. The barber has represented a form of “ therapy “ for some Black men. As a therapist, I know that therapists are “holders” of secrets and the barber in some cases is a “holder” of secrets too. In this conversation, Nafis and I navigate through the complexity, triumphs, life lessons, questions, and experiences that have shaped his life and the lives of other Black men.