A podcast about art, ideas and some other stuff too. Each episode, we focus on a thinker or maker that has shaped or influenced the way we think about art. Brought to you by NCAD's Art in the Contemporary World MA and Dublin Digital Radio. For more information visit: www.acw.ie A conversation about and with Liam Gillick on the satisfaction of aesthetic disappointment, modesty in the age of capitalism and spectacle, and more. Including excerpts from a recent public conversation between Gillick and Seanan Kerr hosted by Art in the Contemporary World. In the debut episode of the Art in the Contemporary World podcast, Co-Directors of NCAD's Art in the Contemporary World MA, Declan Long, Francis Halsall, and Sarah Pierce talk about recent projects from the renowned artist Liam Gillick, including exhibitions at the Goethe Institut and the Kerlin Gallery. A far-ranging discussion which touches on Katy Perry's “curatorial” practices, Masha Gessen's theories on autocracy, and the role of art in troubled times.