Herbert Lui and Hamza Khan dive into social media and personal branding—Herbert shares why he’s hesitant to use social media, while Hamza talks about rebranding to align his online presence with his real self. They explore the struggle to stay authentic while managing a professional image and why personal stories are key to building a strong brand. They also discuss career pivots, using DJ Divas's journey from Doing to launching a billion-dollar company as inspiration. Hamza opens up about his shift from productivity and creativity to burnout and leadership, with plans for a book on toxic leadership. Meanwhile, Herbert reflects on his year of restraint and health, aiming to grow his blog. Both are excited about the future of their podcast—bigger goals, better production, and reaching more people.

Edited by ⁠⁠⁠Evan Mader⁠⁠