For decades, warnings about the destruction of the Amazon and Congo rainforests have grown louder, even as meaningful action has lagged behind. International summits and political declarations continue, but the forests edge closer to dangerous tipping points. In this episode, we ask whether a different approach is needed. Dr. Gladys Kalema-Zikusoka, Dr. Fernando Trujillo, and Sam Muller bring perspectives shaped by hands-on experience in conservation, science, justice, and governance. Together, they argue that protecting the world’s great rainforests is not only an environmental challenge, but also one of equity, economic development, and power—and that lasting solutions are more likely to emerge from the ground up than from global pledges alone.