Cicley Gay is the Chairwoman of the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation. Their mission "imagines a world where Black people across the diaspora thrive, experience joy, and are not defined by their struggles." Cicley joins host Steve Boland to talk about the current world of the Black Lives Matter movement, and the impact of challenges to equity from both our government and in some cases philanthropy. The environment has slid backward from the promises many made after the murder of George Floyd in Minneapolis (as well as promises after other acts of violence before and since). Cicley shares the work of initiatives such as Black Play Matters to move forward with love when times are challenging. The conversation covers the challenges to this work in 2025, but also the the call to lift up Joy. Joy and play have always been tools of survival and resistance. "We don't measure freedom by the absence of harm but by the presence of our unwavering belief that thriving is possible." Cicley advises to "leave no power on the table" in pursuing this work. Get more details on on our podcast page.