What do soccer, hockey, Abraham Lincoln, and executive leadership have in common?

In this conversation, Roger sits down with executive consultant and COO Vince Burens to explore why the best leaders don’t micromanage—they train people to think. Using powerful sports metaphors and real-world leadership experience, Vince unpacks what healthy leadership looks like in today’s complex, distributed world.

This is a conversation for leaders who want to build empowered teams, sustainable cultures, and organizations that flourish beyond short-term results.

Key Themes Covered:

✅ Why great leaders prepare people before the game—and trust them during it
✅ The danger of micromanagement and overcomplicated strategy
✅ Leadership as freedom within structure
✅ Accountability vs. clarity (and why most leaders confuse the two)
✅ Scarcity vs. abundance mindsets in leadership