In this episode of the No Trust podcast, John Spiegel engages with cybersecurity expert Joshua Copeland, who shares his insights on the fundamental flaws in the cybersecurity landscape. They discuss the leadership vacuum in the industry, the pitfalls of compliance theater, and the overwhelming vendor hype that complicates tool selection. Joshua emphasizes the need for a proactive approach to security, aligning cybersecurity with business objectives, and the importance of effective communication with leadership. The conversation culminates in actionable takeaways for cybersecurity leaders looking to improve their strategies and outcomes. Key Takeaways: • Cybersecurity has a leadership vacuum that needs addressing. • Compliance does not equate to security; it's often just theater. • Organizations suffer from tool sprawl and lack of strategy. • Vendor hype can distort risk perception and lead to poor decisions. • Security leaders must communicate in business terms to gain support. • Proactive security measures can prevent costly breaches. • Understanding the business is crucial for effective cybersecurity leadership. • Cybersecurity can be a revenue-generating function if aligned with business goals. • Leverage existing tools before chasing new ones. • Focus on redesigning critical processes for better security outcomes. Follow & Subscribe on all Podcast platforms. What is the Zero Trust Forum about?  It’s about empowering zero trust security professionals with strategies, architecture, and real world journeys to secure the digital future, the right way! Follow the Zero Trust Forum on LinkedIn www.linkedin.com/company/zero-trust-forum/. Follow Jaye Tillson on LinkedIn - www.linkedin.com/in/jaye-tillson/ Follow John Spiegel on LinkedIn - www.linkedin.com/in/john-spiegel-2011543/