Joining me for today's conversation is Nick Hudson. Nick is an actuary, investor, private equity specialist, and - more importantly for this conversation - one of the cofounders of "Pandemics - data and Analytics", or PANDA. Nick's name has surged to prominence since March 2020 through his efforts to balance the prevailing Covid-19 narrative.

I begin by asking him how he's doing, and how he has not yet suffered the kind of career implosion that many vocal, contrarian professionals have suffered.

Further, we discuss the origins of PANDA and the relative international success that the organisation has enjoyed. We then explore what it is that caused this success.

Nick dismembers the factual (or afactual) basis upon which the prevailing narrative is predicated. He further, and more convincingly, argues against the logic (or lack thereof) and efficacy of lockdowns. We also talk about the vaccines, and the concerns that Nick has about them.

Finally, we talk briefly about The Great Barrington Declaration and PANDA’s simpler version of the document which contains solutions, including how we can open up society, following a focused protection approach.