We’re back with part two of Chris’s interview with Mark Hesse. Their conversation continues and encompasses lessons Mark has learned through his coaching career, especially from his swimmers; the nature of the coach-athlete relationship as a partnership for optimal long-term athletic development; the quality coaching framework and the 4 Cs; the magic of mutual belief and trust; and of course a sprinkling of John Wooden.

A quick note on our audio: we apologize for the echo that pops up in this half of the interview! We’re continuing to learn and improve on this whole podcast front… thank you for your patience. The echo does not appear on any of Mark’s responses, it’s worth it to keep listening!