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Out Of Programme
Out Of Programme
18 episodes
2 days ago
The Out Of Programme (OOP) podcast shines a spotlight on clinicians who have ventured beyond the traditional path of clinical training to forge unique and unconventional careers. Hosted by Dr Jing Ouyang, this series delves into the diverse backgrounds, driving motivations and transformative moments that shaped their journeys outside the realm of medicine. Whether you’re a clinician curious about life beyond the white coat or simply fascinated by stories of bold career reinvention, this podcast offers inspiring conversations and thought-provoking insights that go beyond the ordinary.
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The Out Of Programme (OOP) podcast shines a spotlight on clinicians who have ventured beyond the traditional path of clinical training to forge unique and unconventional careers. Hosted by Dr Jing Ouyang, this series delves into the diverse backgrounds, driving motivations and transformative moments that shaped their journeys outside the realm of medicine. Whether you’re a clinician curious about life beyond the white coat or simply fascinated by stories of bold career reinvention, this podcast offers inspiring conversations and thought-provoking insights that go beyond the ordinary.
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Episode 18: Dr Henry Carleton on Pioneering NHS SaaS, Scaling Without VC, and Bootstrapping to a Double Exit
Out Of Programme
1 hour 1 minute 10 seconds
2 days ago
Episode 18: Dr Henry Carleton on Pioneering NHS SaaS, Scaling Without VC, and Bootstrapping to a Double Exit

What happens when a junior doctor builds a SaaS business for the NHS before SaaS was even a thing?

In this episode, we sit down with Dr Henry Carleton — founder of Circadian and Four Eyes Insight, two healthcare software companies that changed the face of workforce and theatre productivity in the NHS. Both exited successfully, setting a blueprint for clinician-led innovation long before the health tech boom.

Henry’s story spans from sneaking off to France mid-med school to run a classified ads business, to bootstrapping one of the most widely adopted rota management tools in the UK — all without a single VC cheque.

  • ✈️ The med student years: failing rotations while flying to Montpellier to run a print newspaper
  • 🍷 Why his first wine business failed — and what it taught him about risk, contracts, and taste-testing the stock
  • 🧠 Spotting an unsexy NHS workforce problem no one was solving — and turning it into a thriving SaaS business
  • 💡 Bootstrapping to product-market fit without investors, incubators, or buzzwords
  • 🧾 Navigating acquisition as a first-time founder and why he did it all again with business #2
  • 🧭 His no-nonsense advice for clinicians thinking of leaving medicine or building in health tech

This is a masterclass in resilience, timing, and building what the NHS actually needs — long before it’s ready for it.

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Out Of Programme
The Out Of Programme (OOP) podcast shines a spotlight on clinicians who have ventured beyond the traditional path of clinical training to forge unique and unconventional careers. Hosted by Dr Jing Ouyang, this series delves into the diverse backgrounds, driving motivations and transformative moments that shaped their journeys outside the realm of medicine. Whether you’re a clinician curious about life beyond the white coat or simply fascinated by stories of bold career reinvention, this podcast offers inspiring conversations and thought-provoking insights that go beyond the ordinary.