Jeffrey Gordon is the president of the American Birding Association, a position he has held since late 2010. Jeff is also a well-known writer, photographer, tour leader, and naturalist and a former Field Editor for Bird Watcher's Digest. He is a frequent speaker and field trip leader at various birding and nature festivals. Jeff recently joined Out There With The Birds host Wendy Clark in a conversation about transitions and trends in the American birding community, and how the American Birding Association is faring during the COVID-19 pandemic.