They say lots of things and they are frequently negative, critical and defensive. It's important to find out who they are, do they actually say those things and whether that is right or not because they are often cited as the main reasons for not improving presentation styles. In this podcast we will consider they and their thoughts. Some blogposts that explore the topics including discussion of why a presentation is not the same as a document; why reading is not the same as listening; whether references are needed on a presentation slide; the ideas that more data is required; corporate branding; what constitutes an academic presentation; whether this new approach is simply a fashion and the topic of stock slidesets. What they say is important.