this live episode from the hoppy heart of Des Moines at Lua Brewing, we sit down with Iowa State Auditor—and now gubernatorial candidate—Rob Sand. Over some top-tier craft beers, we ask the big questions: Why’s he running for governor? What’s his go-to music festival? And can our half-baked money-saving ideas actually fix the state budget (spoiler: probably not, but he humors us anyway)?

We also dig into the serious stuff—like the real challenges facing Iowans—and Rob shares why showing up and listening still matter in politics. It’s equal parts civic discourse, brewery banter, and dad-joke diplomacy. Come for the policy, stay for the pints.