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Price Power
Jacob Rushfinn
7 episodes
3 weeks ago
The Price Power Podcast is for all things growth, retention, and monetization for subscription mobile apps. We talk with amazing leaders in the industry to help share their knowledge with you. Hosted by Jacob Rushfinn, CEO of Botsi.
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The Price Power Podcast is for all things growth, retention, and monetization for subscription mobile apps. We talk with amazing leaders in the industry to help share their knowledge with you. Hosted by Jacob Rushfinn, CEO of Botsi.
Show more...
Marketing
Technology,
Business
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6: Lucas Moscon: Conversion Values, SKAN, Fingerprinting, MMPs, and Mobile Attribution
Price Power
56 minutes
1 month ago
6: Lucas Moscon: Conversion Values, SKAN, Fingerprinting, MMPs, and Mobile Attribution

Lucas Moscon, one of the most technically knowledgeable people in mobile attribution, breaks down how post-ATT measurement really works, why most marketers are using outdated mental models, and how to build a modern, resilient measurement stack. Lucas clarifies what’s deterministic vs probabilistic today, exposes where MMPs still add value (and where they absolutely don’t), and explains why IP-based fingerprinting quietly powers 90%+ of attribution today. He also walks through SKAN in plain English, conversion-value strategy, web-to-app pipelines, and why looking at blended ROI beats chasing ROAS illusions on iOS.

If you want to understand the actual mechanics behind click → install → revenue pipelines — and why Apple’s privacy tech is failing in practice — this episode is for you.

What you’ll learn:

• Why ATT didn’t “kill” attribution — it forced marketers to juggle deterministic, probabilistic, and blended layers
• How Meta/Google matching actually works (spoiler: 90%+ relies on IP, not magic AI)
• Why SKAN isn’t enough — and why relying on ROAS on iOS is the least trustworthy metric
• How to measure effectively without over-reacting to noisy campaign-level data
• When you truly need an MMP today — and why most apps don’t
• How to correctly design conversion values for SKAN without over-engineering
• Why retention determines how many conversion values you even receive
• How to triangulate data across store consoles, subscription platforms, MMPs, and ad networks
• Why focusing on payback windows (D60–D180) outperforms optimizing for short-term ROAS
• Why probabilistic fingerprinting is still powering the ad ecosystem — and why Apple hasn’t stopped it

Key Takeaways:

• iOS ROAS is the noisiest metric you can use. Without IDFA, everything is extrapolated. High-confidence decision-making must use blended revenue and cohort ROI, not ad-platform ROAS.

• Modern attribution = multiple layers. Post-ATT, performance requires triangulating data from SKAN, ad networks, subscription platforms, and product analytics — not trusting a single source of truth.

• Fingerprinting ≠ complex algorithms — it’s mostly IP. Internal tests showed that greater than 90% of probabilistic matches come from IP alone. All the “advanced modeling” narratives are overstated. 

• Most apps don’t need an MMP anymore. Exceptions: running AppLovin/Unity DSPs, React Native/Flutter SDK support gaps, or complex Web-to-App setups where Google requires certified links. Otherwise, MMPs mostly add cost, not clarity.

• Retention determines SKAN visibility. If users don’t reopen the app, conversion values won’t update — meaning SKAN under-reports trials/purchases unless retention is strong.

• Blend deterministic + probabilistic + aggregated signals. The goal isn’t precision — it’s directionally confident decisions across imperfect data. Marketers should work in ranges, not absolutes.

• Longer payback windows unlock scale. Teams willing to accept D60–D180 payback dramatically out-spend competitors optimizing for D7 ROAS — assuming they have strong early-day proxies to detect failing cohorts.

• MMPs don’t magically fix discrepancies. Even with one SDK, marketers still see mismatches across networks, stores, and internal analytics. The “one SDK solves it” narrative is outdated.

Links & Resources

• Appstack: https://www.appstack.tech/
• Appstack library of resources: https://appstack-library.notion.site/
• Lucas Moscon LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lucas-moscon/

00:00 Opening Hot Take: “Are You Really Saturating Meta?”
05:00 Early Indicators & Proxy Metrics (D3–D10)
09:00 Predicting Cohort Success from Day 3–10
11:00 How Click → Install Attribution Actually Works
14:00 Web-to-App Infrastructure (Fingerprinting + SDK Flow)
18:00 Meta/Google Matching: IDFA, AEM, SKAN
24:30 Fingerprinting Reality: Why IP = 90% of Matches
27:00 Apple’s Privacy Messaging vs Actual Enforcement
30:30 How Apple Ads Uses (or Ignores) SKAN
35:00 Should You Use an MMP in 2025?
46:00 SKAN Conversion Value Mapping: The 63/62 Strategy
49:00 Why Retention Determines SKAN Postbacks
54:00 App Stack Overview + Closing Thoughts

Price Power
The Price Power Podcast is for all things growth, retention, and monetization for subscription mobile apps. We talk with amazing leaders in the industry to help share their knowledge with you. Hosted by Jacob Rushfinn, CEO of Botsi.