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Process Over Product
Trevor Thomas
2 episodes
1 day ago
There are two clay classes. One is tasked with replicating the perfect vase — a product. The other is told to create as many pots as possible — a process. The process group obviously makes more work, but surprisingly, they also make better work. The result runs counter to what we’re taught about control, perfection, and outcomes. This is the essence of Process Over Product: a podcast about what actually happens in the studio — the uncertainty, the decisions, pressure, and work underneath the work. Join artists Trevor Wade Thomas and Kelsey Kopp as we discuss process in the world of art.
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There are two clay classes. One is tasked with replicating the perfect vase — a product. The other is told to create as many pots as possible — a process. The process group obviously makes more work, but surprisingly, they also make better work. The result runs counter to what we’re taught about control, perfection, and outcomes. This is the essence of Process Over Product: a podcast about what actually happens in the studio — the uncertainty, the decisions, pressure, and work underneath the work. Join artists Trevor Wade Thomas and Kelsey Kopp as we discuss process in the world of art.
Show more...
Visual Arts
Arts
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Imposter Syndrome: Friend or Foe?
Process Over Product
21 minutes 25 seconds
1 day ago
Imposter Syndrome: Friend or Foe?

In the second episode of Process Over Product, artists Trevor Wade Thomas and Kelsey Kopp confront imposter syndrome — the persistent voice of fear, doubt, and self-questioning that often surfaces in the studio.


They unpack what that voice actually is, where it comes from, and how it shows up while painting, making, and trying to move work forward. Through personal stories and studio-level reflection, they explore the ways imposter syndrome can stall decision-making, interrupt momentum, and quietly shape creative choices.


As the conversation unfolds, the episode takes an unexpected turn: rather than treating this voice only as an obstacle to overcome, Trevor and Kelsey examine how it might also serve as a strange kind of ally — a signal, a mirror, and even a guide — pointing toward deeper honesty, growth, and intentional making.


Kelsey Kopp is a landscape painter whose work is rooted in observation, repetition, and sustained engagement with place. Her practice emphasizes process as a way of understanding time, light, and perception rather than arriving at a fixed image.


Find Kelsey on instagram @kelsey_kopp_art


Trevor Wade Thomas is a painter and educator working primarily from observation. His practice centers on drawing, material process, and the relationship between labor, memory, and making. He is the founder of Oil and Earth Studio YouTube Channel, where he explores craft, teaching, and long-form artistic inquiry.


You can find Trevor online at www.trevorwadethomas.com , on YouTube at www.youtube.com/oilandearthstudio , or on Instagram @twtfineart

Process Over Product
There are two clay classes. One is tasked with replicating the perfect vase — a product. The other is told to create as many pots as possible — a process. The process group obviously makes more work, but surprisingly, they also make better work. The result runs counter to what we’re taught about control, perfection, and outcomes. This is the essence of Process Over Product: a podcast about what actually happens in the studio — the uncertainty, the decisions, pressure, and work underneath the work. Join artists Trevor Wade Thomas and Kelsey Kopp as we discuss process in the world of art.