It is time to meet with a collaborator of the podcast project - Psychodrama Association for Europe. A pioneer Hilde Gott and current chairwoman Jacomien Ilbrink share about past and present situations. In the episode you find about first trainings held in cellars, more topics like:

1:38 Story starts with Ildiko Mavers in Hungary

5:57 Continues with Hilde bringing psychodrama to Romania

9:03 Hardships: duration, language, NGO image

12:04 Structure that is attractive

14:08 A little bit about Morenian Institute in Germany

16:17 Attack on journey

20:25 Working conditions: church cellar and coats

21:27 “We buy cucumbers, not flowers”

25:03 2000s and Holocaust

28:57 Structure - biggest achievement of Hilde at the head

31:52 Jacomien joining PAfE to feel home

34:54 PAfE mission - spreading psychodrama and being parent organization

39:45 Be careful with what you ask: Riding waves in stormy times

41:18 What is PAfE for you