In this episode, guest host Natalie McVeigh of Oikonomia and a member of the PPI Education Development Committee is joined by Kathy Wiseman of Working Systems, Inc, The Family Portfolio and faculty at The Bowen Center for the Study of the Family, for a reflective conversation on family systems theory in practice. Together, they explore what it means to view families and organizations through a systems lens, how this perspective shapes both personal and professional journeys, and why it is so valuable when working with complex family dynamics. Drawing on Kathy’s deep experience in systems thinking, the conversation highlights practical insights for advisors seeking to better understand patterns, relationships, and long-term impact across generations.