Jef Cumps is the author of Sociocracy 3.0, the Novel, and the founder of ILean, a Belgian consultancy specialised in Agile and Sociocracy. In this episode, Jef shares about his experiences with companies and how he supports them finding the right balance between “maintaining the structure” and “empowering people”, two polarities often difficult to reconcile, by working both on the organisational as well as the individual levels of transformation.