Writer and publisher Deborah Shapiro joins Naomi in a conversation on The Letters of Vincent Van Gogh. From that starting point, they discuss the desire to create, underlining versus annotating, and the importance of lamps, physical and metaphorical.

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Deborah Shapiro is the author of the novels The Sun in Your Eyes (2016, a New York Times Book Review Editors’ Choice), The Summer Demands (2019), and Consolation (2022). Her writing has appeared in The New York Times Book Review, Los Angeles Review of Books, Sight Unseen, Chicago Magazine, Literary Hub, Washington Square Review, and elsewhere. She's the founder of the occasional press, B-Side Editions, an editor-at-large at Sight Unseen, and lives with her family in Chicago.