In this episode of Reality Check, we dive into an office of public works in the Soviet Union named Valerij Černohajev, he wrote, in very specific terms, a manuscript in the Soviet Union-era of a UFO. Ross Coulthart sits down with the man who translated that manuscript, Gene Sticco, and his wife/daughter of Černohajev, Natalja Černohajev-Sticco, an Opera singer from Latvia. Together, they review Valerij Černohajev's manuscript. It holds hand-drawings and findings from a UFO during the Soviet Union-era. The panel discusses what he knew of the Soviet UFO Program and ponder if he saw a real UFO in person.Read the English translation of Valerij Černohajev's manuscript here: Engineering Infinity: Earth’s First Interstellar Blueprint CHAPTERS LIST 0:00 - INTRO 3:45 - WHAT HAPPENED WHAT NATALJE & GENE OPENED THE PACKAGE?8:20 - VALERJI ČERNOHAJEV'S QUALIFICIATIONS 10:49 - MANUSCRIPT UFO DRAWINGS 15:44 - SECRETS IN NATALJA'S HOUSE 18:30 - RECEIVING THE MANUSCRIPT 21:45 - NATALJE VISITS HER FATHER 23:16 - WHAT HAS GENE DISCOVERED ABOUT THE SOVIET'S UFO PROGRAM? 32:13 - RUSSIAN PATENTS 34:26 - AMERICAN PATENTS 36:29 - HAS NATALJA CONTACTED HER FATHER'S CO-WORKERS ABOUT THE SOVIET PROGRAM? 39:48 - U.S. AGENCIES READ MANUSCRIPT 41:41 - MOUNT YAMANTAU 44:10 - COLLABERATION OF U.S. & SOVIET UNION 48:31 - HAVE GOVERNMENTS COME TO GENE ABOUT THE MANUSCRIPT?49:30 - WAS VALERJI ČERNOHAJEV DESPERATE TO GET HIS MANUSCRIPT OUT? 52:18 - WHAT DOES GENE HOPE COMES FROM THESE DOCUMENTS?56:35 - PEOPLE WITH A PHYSICS BACKGROUND LOOK AT MANUSCRIPT 58:49 - U.S. DEFENSIVE CAPABILITIES 1:00:15 - WRITING THE MANUSCRIPT WITHOUT SOVIET DOCUMENTS 1:03:50 - MORE DIGGING NEEDS TO BE DONE 1:06:42 - OUTRO CREDITS Host: Ross Coulthart Executive Producer: Andy Gipson Editorial Producer: Meagan Ourada Segment Producer: Christine Jenkinson Associate Producer: William Tomasi Editor: Allen Keefner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices