Nancy Salzman, former president of Executive Success Programs (ESP)—a company offering personal and professional development programs designed to help people discover, develop, and utilize more of their untapped potential—joins Kate for the first of a two-part conversation. In 1998, she and Keith Raniere co-founded ESP, which Raniere later expanded into the broader umbrella organization NXIVM. He presented NXIVM as an elite self-improvement and leadership training company, but it ultimately became a vehicle for manipulation, coercive control, and the secretive subgroup DOS that led to his federal conviction. Nancy was sentenced in 2021 to 42 months in federal prison for racketeering-related charges connected to her role in the organization.    In this first part, she discusses how she met Raniere, the creation and rapid growth of ESP, and what was really happening behind the scenes as the organization evolved.        Reality Life with Kate Casey  What to Watch List: https://katecasey.substack.com  Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/katecasey  Twitter: https://twitter.com/katecasey  Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/katecaseyca  Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@itskatecasey?lang=en  Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/113157919338245  Amazon List: https://www.amazon.com/shop/katecasey  Like it to Know It: https://www.shopltk.com/explore/katecasey See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.