Nancy Salzman, former president and co-founder of Executive Success Programs (ESP), returns for the second part of her first-ever post-prison interview. After co-founding ESP with Keith Raniere in 1998, the company grew into the larger umbrella organization NXIVM—originally promoted as an elite personal development and leadership training community.     In this second part of her conversation with Kate, Nancy speaks openly about the unraveling of NXIVM, the legal fallout that followed, and the personal reckoning she faced as she prepared to plead guilty. She discusses the complex blend of loyalty, denial, and awakening that preceded her arrest; her experience inside federal prison; and the emotional and psychological work required to confront her own responsibility.        Reality Life with Kate Casey  What to Watch List: https://katecasey.substack.com  Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/katecasey  Twitter: https://twitter.com/katecasey  Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/katecaseyca  Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@itskatecasey?lang=en  Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/113157919338245  Amazon List: https://www.amazon.com/shop/katecasey  Like it to Know It: https://www.shopltk.com/explore/katecasey See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.