What do you do when the leader everyone looks to… is hurtingtoo?
This episode goes straight into the heart of leadership pain — the kind youdon’t post about, preach about, or even admit to yourself.

Mark and Chris flip the table on the lie that wounded leaders must withdraw,hide, or pretend they’re fine. Instead, they reveal how God uses pain as a refining fire — not to break you, but to build the kind ofstrength people can trust.

If you’ve ever led while tired, overwhelmed, disappointed, or hurting… this episode is for you.
Your wound is not your disqualification — it might be yourgreatest doorway to impact.