FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.

In this episode: being underestimated - being reduced to a body - having to prove yourself - unwanted advice.

Recorded on 18 May 2024, at O. festival in Rotterdam.

(01:35) Madelief [°2007 - Shanghai, CN] on a colleague, sinking down to his knees to get to eye level. And real guy friends, who prefer to chat with other guys than to sit with Madelief.

(05:02) Salomé [°1977 - Amstelveen, NL] is short and blond. A busdriver spelled out "this bus is going to the u-ni-ver-si-ty" to her. On surprising and countering people. "There is more to her than you see".

(08:05) Lindertje [°1986 - Hoorn, NL] on men, coming to her after her performances, commenting: your body is amazing. "All the other things were less impressive than my body." Not the artwork. On people who don't believe she creates her own performances. Andrea asks -for a friend- how to bring it across, that you are making your own work.

(14:00) Ellen [°1982 - Voorburg, NL] is a medical anthropologist. She writes when she wants to be heard. On a history of being tested and having to prove yourself. On being seen as the vessel of your baby, by a gynecologist, not having a say in how to give birth. "I looked at the literature and wrote a 5-page letter with all studies attached." After which she got granted decision-making power. "I wish I would have been able to just focus on being pregnant."

(20:12) Andy [°1986 - California, USA] "Andy is an ambiguous name: ‘Oh, I thought you were going to be a man.’ I would like to people not be disappointed by seeing me show up." And receiving unwanted advise from a male professor on interviewing subjects for research: "wear make up, be pleasant, accommodating and genuinely interested in the other person." 

(24:40) What do you deserve? You may want everything you want. Respect: no one should forget Respect. To know that you matter, regardless of people's gendered expectations.

For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu

Sound engineer: Hayden Hook

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

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