Former D‑1 sprinter turned growth leader, Natalie Marcotullio, knows that winning starts with knowing when to rest. She joins Jolie to riff on boundaries, bad first drafts, and why your Minimum Viable Product should come with a Maximum Viable Pause. If your Slack pings feel louder than your heartbeat, hit play.  Key Takeaways• Athletic mindset = built‑in grit—but recovery is the power move• Saying no is a growth strategy; focus > FOMO• Fail fast, learn faster: your worst MVP is better than a perfect idea on ice• Data drives decisions, but self‑care drives you• Introversion can be a sales superpower• Autonomy > luxury lifestyle• Turn work into play Timestamps00:00 Identity check: family roots & the runner’s edge02:57 Using an athletic mindset to outpace revenue fires05:57 Why the biggest lessons hide inside the losses09:03 The radical art of saying “no”12:01 Drawing lines so burnout can’t cross them15:12 Therapy, walks, and other legit leadership tools25:12 Level‑up season: taking on new challenges30:52 MVPs that keep the team (and budget) intact36:44 Decode team motivations, unlock collaboration38:37 Spotting burnout before it banners your calendar42:46 Creativity pops when you step away44:51 Building a culture where mental health is KPI #1 LinksLearn more about NatalieLearn more about JolieLearn more about Revenue Mind