If you've ever felt the sudden gut punch of losing a job or a business you poured everything into, this conversation is the reassurance you need right now.

It's a heavy topic, but Richard and Lee handle it with the kind of honesty that only comes from experience. They look at a recent situation with a close friend that mirrors their own crisis from 15 years ago (getting let go on New Year's Day with a newborn baby). It turns out, there is a predictable pattern to these things.

They'll take you through why your body often knows something is wrong before your brain does and how ignoring those toxic workplace signs can leave you vulnerable. You can learn how to tap into your network when you feel most alone and why asking for help is actually a privilege you give to others.

It's a reminder that while the fall is scary, the bounce back is where the real story happens.

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