Welcome to the latest episode of the Rippling Pages. I’m having a coffee with Lee Cole, the American writer from Kentucky. And we’re talking about balancing the feelings and ethics of writing about home. Now living a humdrum life in Kentucky, Emmett spends his days packing boxes in a warehouse. But what happens when he begins to dream of another life—and when those dreams start to fracture his family relationships? These questions lie at the heart of Fulfilment, Lee Cole’s second novel. The book follows two half brothers whose clashing ambitions—Emmett’s longing to be a screenwriter and his brother’s academic ideals about “rural despair”—go beyond a simple difference in worldview. Something deeper threatens to pull them apart. Lee is a graduate of the Iowa Writers’ Workshop, is also the author of Groundskeeping. Both his novels were published by Faber in the U.K. The New York Times has described his work as “Anne Tyler by way of Sally Rooney.” Originally from Kentucky, Lee joins me today from Philadelphia. Remember, if you buy from Rippling Pages Bookshop all books are all sourced from indie bookshops! https://uk.bookshop.org/shop/ripplingpagespod   Support the Rippling Pages on a new Patreon https://patreon.com/RipplingPagesPod?utm_medi   Interested in hosting your own podcast? Follow this link and find out how: https://www.podbean.com/ripplingpages   1.35 - Ann Tyler and Sally Rooney 5.05 - why Kentucky  7.25 - people who leave and stay in small towns  9.30 - why does Emmett wish he had what Joel has? 11.10 - southern fried rendition of Marx 12.10 - warehouses  16.12 - the difficulty of warehouse jobs  18.30 - Kentucky’s beauty  19.45 - backgrounds and worldviews  21.45 - guilt about writing about home or  22.30 - rippling pages bookshop 23.35 - Alice’s role 26.15 - Alice’s dream of owning a farm  28.50 - knowing what our desires are  32.50 - writing about writers impulses Books Wendell Berry Annie Dillard Sigmund Freud Aldo Leopold Karl Marx Sally Rooney  Anne Tyler John Updike