Rubin On Point | The Red Meat Debacle — We Blamed the Cow Instead of the System

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Rubin on Point

Dan Rubin, ND FABNO

26 episodes

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What does it really mean to heal? To find strength in uncertainty? To not just survive, but thrive? Welcome to Rubin on Point. I’m Dr. Dan Rubin, a naturopathic oncologist exploring the science—and soul—of resilience. This podcast is about how we heal, adapt, and harness our inner strength. Through conversations with experts, survivors, and innovators, we’ll uncover how people redefine health and transform their lives—no matter the challenge. Let’s get started.

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Rubin On Point | The Red Meat Debacle — We Blamed the Cow Instead of the System | Katie Ross Iron Springs Ranch

Rubin on Point

47 minutes 17 seconds

2 weeks ago

Rubin On Point | The Red Meat Debacle — We Blamed the Cow Instead of the System | Katie Ross Iron Springs Ranch

The Red Meat Debacle — We Blamed the Cow Instead of the System

For decades, red meat was villainized.

But the real problem wasn’t beef — it was the industrialized production model behind it.

In this provocative, perspective-shifting episode of Rubin On Point, ranch manager Katie Ross (Iron Springs Ranch, Skull Valley, Arizona) walks us through what actually changes when cattle are raised in a regenerative system:

— adaptive rotational grazing
— elevation & terrain → animal cardiovascular strength
— geofencing collars replacing barbed wire
— soil-first philosophy (your nutrients start underground)
— high omega-3 : omega-6 ratios (less inflammatory fat)
— higher CLA (metabolic support + anti-inflammatory benefits)
— no grains, no synthetics, no “bad days” for the herd

This isn’t trendy.

This is regenerative agriculture — and it’s what meat used to be before feedlots, corn finishing, and profit-over-stewardship models hijacked the narrative.

We cover water myths, herd behavior (meet Josie, the lead cow), microbiome in soil → microbiome in animals → microbiome in humans, AND the return of tallow — not just for high-heat cooking but for clean, bio-compatible skincare.

If you’ve been anti-beef… this episode may change your mind.

If you’ve been pro-protein… this gives you the why.

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“Thank you guys so much for having me — I really hope I was able to effectively communicate how much we love this work and how important it is for the land, the animals, and your health.”

Chapters
00:00 Intro & resilience sign-off
00:42 Show open: Why talk about red meat now
01:22 Meet Katie & Skull Valley geography
02:14 Elevation, animal health & training analogies
03:13 What “regenerative” ranching means
04:00 Rotational grazing 101 (don’t over/under graze)
04:38 Moving cattle: horseback + geofencing collars
05:25 Daily animal checks, minerals & water
06:42 Water sources, intake & heat—myths vs reality
08:42 Do cows “know” you? Herd handling & temperament
10:26 Soil testing, microbes & nutrient density
12:06 Conventional history, tilling & why soil structure matters
14:13 Letting weeds start the succession → better grasses
15:58 Overseeding + cool vs warm season diversity
18:02 Epigenetics of foraging (calves learn from moms)
18:23 Rocky, hilly terrain & hardy animals
19:32 Replacement heifers, bulls, and finishing herds
21:50 Why grass-finished takes longer (and tastes great)
22:33 Herd hierarchy: meet lead cow “Jose”
24:35 Output & how to buy (bulk, cuts, subscriptions, delivery)
25:27 Ethics & emotion: “no bad days” for the animals
27:21 Health: omega-3:6, CLA, inflammation & cancer context
33:28 Dan’s diet journey: plant-forward → quality red meat
35:03 Seed oils vs beef tallow: skincare & cooking
36:49 What tallow actually is (suet → render → whip)
38:48 Product demo: creams, cooking tallow, lip balm
40:29 How to use cooking tallow at home
41:07 Lip balm, respecting the whole animal
41:53 Where to buy & delivery routes
42:27 NS partnership shout-out
42:59 Final takeaway & gratitude