In this thought-provoking conversation, Angell Deer and Cordula Frei delve into the profound art of listening beyond the cacophony of the modern world.  Angell shares insights into the ancient practice of tuning into the whispers of nature, the wisdom of ancestors, and the living, animated world around us.  This dialogue invites you to explore the concept of inner leadership and healing through shamanic perspectives, encouraging a deep connection with the environment and the unconditioned intelligence it harbors. Through personal anecdotes, Angell recounts transformative experiences, such as time spent with native elders on Lake Titicaca, where he learned to perceive global changes through the sacredness of his surroundings.  This discussion challenges the conventional understanding of knowledge, emphasizing a second education that transcends formal qualifications.  It sheds light on the lost art of truly belonging to the land, unraveling the colonial separations, and urging a return to harmonious coexistence through authentic connection and respectful listening. Join this enlightening talk to rediscover the vibrant dialogues awaiting those willing to listen to the earth’s still, small voice, and find new pathways to interconnectedness and purposeful leadership.