In this episode of Safety Third: Autonomous Revolution, Erik talks with his longtime friend Ryan Batchelor, a a military officer in the United States Navy and founder of Crux Leaders LLC, about what it takes to lead when the pressure is on. Ryan shares stories nearly 3 decades of flying with the Navy, managing complex operations, and building teams that work when the stakes are high.

The conversation looks at what it means to shift from a fixed to a growth mindset, how to lead by influence instead of command, and why you need to grow leaders before the moment you need them. From the flight line to the boardroom, Ryan shows how preparation, trust, and adaptability make the difference.

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