In this lively episode of Savitalk, hosts David Lee and Henrique Teixeira sit down with Jim McDonald and Jeff Steadman — the dynamic duo behind the popular Identity at the Center podcast. Beyond podcasting, Jim and Jeff bring decades of hands-on Identity consulting experience at RSM, where they help organizations navigate strategy, governance, and real-world implementation challenges.   Together, they explore the evolution of identity programs, the rise of AI, and why community matters more than ever in the identity security profession. With their trademark humor, candor, and practical insight, Jim and Jeff share lessons from the field, reflections on identity maturity, and their vision for the next generation of practitioners.