In this episode our guests Isobel Lindsay and Bill Ramsay help unpack the deeper message behind Deputy PM David Lammy's extraordianry claim that the Scottish Government is a "national security threat".But which nation is he talking about?  From a Scottish perspective, many argue that Scotland's continued place within the UK poses the greater risk to Scotland's own national security.We also revisit a powerful highlight from the recent Scottish CND conference: former Scottish Labour leader Richard Leonard's eloquen and forceful speech challenging the Uk Labour Government's increasingly militarised foreign and economic policies.Join us for a forthright conversation about power, security and Scotland's future role in the world.key themes:00:00:31  Lammy insults a nation00:03:24  Who poses the biggest threat to Scotland?00:16:00  Resilience and Security00:28:19  Richard Leonard calls our UK Labour's path to war00:30:33  Role and purpose of arms industry in creating as narrative of fear00:38:43  Richard Leonard on US ownership of UK nuclear weapons00:45:14  Craig Dalzell on nuclear power as a cover story00:49:19  Uk labour government policy of escalating militarisation00:50:43  Our message to Mr Lammy  #davidlammy #ScottishCND #scottishindependence The Indypodcasters team produce a NEW podcast episode every Friday search for Scottish Independence Podcasts wherever you get your podcasts.  Remember to like and subscribe! Contact Us: indypodcasters@gmail.com  Visit our website https://scottishindypod.scot for blogposts, newsletter signup and more episodes Subscribe for free to our Youtube channel @scottishindypodExtra for more of our video footage and clips.  video premieres most Tuesdays at 8pm If you've enjoyed this podcast you might like to buy us a coffee?  https://ko-fi.com/scottishindependencepodcastsor choose us as your Easyfundraising good cause. Music: Inspired by Kevin MacLeod Scottish Independence Podcasts is pro independence but not party political.  Opinions expressed by guests do not necessarily represent our views.