In this episode, we flip from the provider view to the Employer view. After nearly 40 years in the workplace pension market, the majority of which was spent working in-house to run pension schemes for some of the UK's biggest employers, my guest Paul Bird has lots of insight into delivering great pension benefits for employees. In this podcast, he shares his story—from closing DB schemes to helping colleagues retire early. Paul is proud to have walked the walk rather than just talked the talk and shares his story with us. It's different when you have to walk past colleagues every day for whom you are enacting pension scheme decisions—an extra impetus to get it right!