In this conversation, Steve Chang interviews Enoch Liao, the English congregation pastor of Boston Chinese Evangelical Church and cofounder of the Chinese Heritage Church Collaborative. They discuss Enoch's background, networking among Chinese heritage churches, calling in ministry, and cultural identity within the church. Enoch shares insights on the challenges and opportunities faced by Chinese heritage churches and emphasizes the need for connection and support among pastors. The conversation concludes with reflections on longevity in ministry and encouragement for younger leaders.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Enoch Liao and His Background02:30 The Chinese Heritage Church Collaborative: Origins and Purpose05:45 Building Connections Among Chinese Heritage Churches07:44 The Importance of Networking in Ministry10:35 Understanding the Concept of Chinese Heritage Church13:53 The Future of Chinese Heritage Churches and Their Identity21:53 Understanding Chinese Heritage Churches24:36 The Shift in Multi-Ethnic Ministry25:39 Commitment to Local Church: A Calling30:44 Navigating Leadership Challenges37:31 The Importance of Relationships in Ministry