The fifth episode of Sonic Ecologies welcomes Karolina Żyniewicz, who co-led the Capturing Leakage: Body Flows and Material Investigations workshop with Charlotte Roschka. In this episode, they discuss the workshop after it took place and also talk about the permeability of bodies and how it reflected on the theme of the workshop. The conversation was moderated by Tuçe Erel, and it was recorded on 21 November 2023.