Is one person's scam another person's legitimate enterprise. This is a hard question once you get into examples in regular life, but crypto makes it much more complicated. We discuss these questions with two people who have been in the space a long time: Lana Swartz is a scholar of media studies at the University of Virginia who is known for writing about money as a social network. Her studies of money have led her to be interested in scams and what it means to scam. If scam studies become a topic at universities, she will be its progenitor. Patrick Murck is an affiliate at the Berkman Klein Law Center and also the chief legal officer at Transparent Systems. Murck also served at the Bitcoin Foundation early on. Hosts:Brady Dale (@BradyDale) See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.