In this episode, Fred interviews artist and pastor, David Hayward, https://nakedpastor.com/ Hey, I'm David. I’m a pastor turned artist painting, drawing, and thinking about what it takes to be free...to be you. If you’re interested in deconstruction, spiritual journeying, freedom of thought, or looking for your authentic self, you’re welcome to join me while I search too. In case you’re wondering, I’m not actually naked. The idea behind my name, NakedPastor, is to seek to tell the naked truth - no matter how vulnerable it feels. I used to be a pastor but I’ve been creating art and working towards freedom with this community for over 10 years now.