Mel, Michael, and Joel discuss how authoritative commands given by God were part of the pre-Fall perfected order and therefore should be considered altruistically good today. God's commands do not make us less than we could be. Why do some people resist relationship with Jesus Christ because they're afraid of restrictions? Are restrictions even bad? Next they talk about the role of holy fear in Christianity. What does it look like to fear the Lord? The conversation finishes with a proposition that egalitarianism doesn't scale entirely from church policy to household familial dynamics.